Stan and I have been bouncing back-and-forth, and I suppose a quick gloss of our perorations would be 'examining the philosophical basis of scientific practice.' It's that gray area, one supposes, between epistemology per se and the philosophy of science.

But Stan, we seem to have a problem as far as fostering a dialogue that's easy for others to follow, and that is that I can't seem to link to new specific posts on your blog. It seems as if any links I offer automatically take me to this site, which is Stan's web site, rather than to a specific blog post. What a hassle!

Now, Stan has obviously spent a lot of time organizing the above site to articulate his views, and it would be unreasonable to expect him to alter its entire structure simply to facilitate our discussion, so I am going to suggest that perhaps we should just do all the blogging here. With that in mind, I'm going to post a list of some (not all) of the things that Stan described as First Principles now, and respond (in part) in my next post

1. The Intuitive Principles

These principles, while not provable, are known to be valid intuitively

a. Identity. If it is true, then it is true; if it exists, then it exists.
b. Non-Contradiction. If it is true, then it cannot be false; if it exists, it cannot NOT exist.
c. Excluded Middle.A (singular, unity) concept cannot be somewhat true and somewhat false; a (singular, unity) thing cannot somewhat exist and somewhat not exist.
d. Cause and effect. Every effect has a cause that is both necessary and sufficient.
e. Cogito (Descartes). Because I doubt my own doubt, it is true that I think; because I think (truth), I must exist (fact).

2. The Probabilistic Principles.
These Principles seem to encompass both truth and existence

a. The Immutability of math throughout the universe.
b. The Immutability of physical law throughout the universe
c.The mutability of all levels of verifiability (Godel's laws).

3. The Presuppositional Principles
These principles are declared either as empirical constraints, or as part of a worldview.

a. No form of reality exists that cannot be either observed and measured directly or by the use of instrumentation.
b. No Singularities (temporary violations) exist in the physical laws of the universe.


stan said...

There are two separate entities; the blog is here:


The website is separate:


The two sites are crosslinked, but separate, no need to go to the website in order to get to the blog. I think I see what happened, on the "publish your comment" section I put the website, not thinking that you would really want the blog....duh.

I'm sorry for causing confusion and problems for you, I hope this clarifies things. I'd rather straighten this out than restrict my posting to your site, but I guess I could cross post if it is necessary. Do you think this will work for you now? Or should I cross post?


Scott Hatfield . . . . said...

Let me see if I can get it working now.

Scott Hatfield . . . . said...

Nope. When I click on "
http://atheism-analyzed.blogspot.com/" it takes me to the blog, but what it doesn't do is allow me to click on the title of a particular post and link to that, which would really facilitate discussion.

Plus, if what we're doing has value for any besides ourselves, it would make it easier for others to follow.

Stan said...

OK, I'll try to see if blogspot will do that. If it does, I'll get it going this weekend.

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