tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post8918659631288536248..comments2023-12-28T17:14:24.356-08:00Comments on Monkey Trials: ATHEISM'S JAY LENO?Scott Hatfield . . . .http://www.blogger.com/profile/00363885800131794994noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-25228727002856537142008-03-31T16:48:00.000-07:002008-03-31T16:48:00.000-07:00Elf_Sternberg wrote Their notion of "security" for...Elf_Sternberg wrote <I>Their notion of "security" for a movie they're touting so strenuously, so desperately, so publicly is so completely incompetent that I have trouble feeling sorry for them when they get punked by the mischief-makers they seem to attract.</I><BR/><BR/>Their incompetence extends to <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2008/03/even_m7pmore_on_expelled_in_te.php" REL="RBHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13562135000111792590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-63019939801584453072008-03-30T19:59:00.000-07:002008-03-30T19:59:00.000-07:00This has been a most exasperating thread, but also...This has been a most exasperating thread, but also the most popular one in my blog's short history. I don't ordinarily get 5 comments per post, much less 50.<BR/><BR/>However, I don't think this post was either the kind of post that promotes science education, or a dialog between science and people of faith, which are the sort of things that I would like to push in this forum. In fact, this Scott Hatfield . . . .https://www.blogger.com/profile/00363885800131794994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-44470635600428815092008-03-30T19:41:00.000-07:002008-03-30T19:41:00.000-07:00windy:Um, why is exchange of services in a temple ...windy:<BR/><BR/><I>Um, why is exchange of services in a temple hypocritical? Exploitative, maybe.</I><BR/><BR/>The practice had become highly exploitive. Keep in mind the "buyers" had travelled from afar at considerable personal expense to offer sacrfices, which sacrifiecs had to be unblemished and were nearly impossible for everyone to "bring from home". So they had to buy sacrifices and they Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-6199612620203647182008-03-30T14:24:00.000-07:002008-03-30T14:24:00.000-07:00Ironically, it seems like I have to teach you a li...<I>Ironically, it seems like I have to teach you a little theology. Suddenly coming in and beating people up is way outside the bounds of common decency. So why was it the right thing to do? Not because Jesus is Jesus and therefore allowed to do anything. No: because it was a public statement against hypocrisy, which is a good thing.</I><BR/><BR/>Um, why is exchange of services in a temple Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-61572357771641976872008-03-30T13:13:00.000-07:002008-03-30T13:13:00.000-07:00Scott Hatfield:FYI, you have email.Scott Hatfield:<BR/><BR/>FYI, you have email.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-90229458749782220982008-03-30T06:03:00.000-07:002008-03-30T06:03:00.000-07:00Buck up, Scott. FtK's always flouncing off in a h...Buck up, Scott. FtK's always flouncing off in a huff on some pretext or other. <BR/><BR/>She'll be back.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately.<BR/><BR/>As for the Jesus and the moneychangers reference, it seemed straightforward to me. You were comparing an <I>action</I> of PZ's, which could be thought of as a bit OTT, with a story from the Bible about Christ acting the same. <BR/><BR/>No suggestion of PZ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-52772168284555045052008-03-29T15:49:00.000-07:002008-03-29T15:49:00.000-07:00any chance you want to comment on the content of S...<I>any chance you want to comment on the content of Scott's (and PZ's) criticism of the movie</I><BR/><BR/>Just wanted to point out to any readers that, unlike PZ, I haven't seen the film, and so I haven't criticized the film itself. My main interest at this point is the way the film was pitched to those interviewed, and whether or not it is being honestly promoted. <BR/><BR/>Many attendees Scott Hatfield . . . .https://www.blogger.com/profile/00363885800131794994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-59568539067273068692008-03-29T15:19:00.000-07:002008-03-29T15:19:00.000-07:00starwind, I've tried to be as respectful as possib...starwind, I've tried to be as respectful as possible. I'd LIKE to see proof of God. I hope I didn't chase you out of here.Moderatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10080944720281021611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-3799665835820775002008-03-29T15:17:00.000-07:002008-03-29T15:17:00.000-07:00I only have one comment to make and it regards the...I only have one comment to make and it regards the first post.<BR/><BR/>"if Dembski had done it" is a moot argument. If the (conference call) shoe had been on the other foot, Dembski would have been allowed to talk. Not "let's control the message so that no dissent can be heard".maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10036252114173991247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-61826640967405223632008-03-29T15:16:00.000-07:002008-03-29T15:16:00.000-07:00Well, I'd say it's been a pleasure, but it hasn't....Well, I'd say it's been a pleasure, but it hasn't.<BR/><BR/>Adios folks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-9629270326783574172008-03-29T15:06:00.000-07:002008-03-29T15:06:00.000-07:00He has already admitted to misrepresentations to p...<I>He has already admitted to misrepresentations to participate in the conference call<BR/><BR/>You keep repeating that. But it's still not true.</I><BR/><BR/>"<A HREF="http://monkeytrials.blogspot.com/2008/03/atheisms-jay-leno.html?showComment=1206818400000#c1681233158433500304" REL="nofollow">PZ</A>" said: "<I>Yes, I do agree that I was not invited to actually participate in the phone call. I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-66017734201676158572008-03-29T14:55:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:55:00.000-07:00Starwind, ummmm, I'm thinking you'd like to reword...Starwind, ummmm, I'm thinking you'd like to reword your phrase<BR/>"Are all Darwinists Nazi's? No."<BR/><BR/>As to macro-evolution, I could be off base here (I'm certainly not qualified on the topic) but I don't see evidence of evidence being denied. I don't doubt that anecdotally many research institutions would consider research into proving that there is a designer to be as worth while as Moderatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10080944720281021611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-78413232171801526272008-03-29T14:52:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:52:00.000-07:00He has already admitted to misrepresentations to p...<I>He has already admitted to misrepresentations to participate in the conference call</I><BR/><BR/>You keep repeating that. But it's still not true.<BR/><BR/>I even asked you for evidence that the representation is mis-. You keep ignoring this request, so I am forced to consider your claim unsupported.<BR/><BR/><I>and he advocates firing teachers or researchers of information he doesn't agree Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-62158595846878363312008-03-29T14:50:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:50:00.000-07:00David Marjanović:By accepting his registration, th...David Marjanović:<BR/><BR/><I>By accepting his registration, they did.</I><BR/><BR/>It wasn't a registration. It was an RSVP to an invitation he has yet to prove he rightfully received.<BR/><BR/><I>It just so happens that they later hypocritically reversed their decision.</I><BR/><BR/>lol - another "just so" story. When you can prove it, you be a hero and the star witness in Myers' civil rights Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-67506943764656566552008-03-29T14:45:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:45:00.000-07:00No, they did not allow PZ Myers to attend, did the...<I>No, they did not allow PZ Myers to attend, did they - LOL.</I><BR/><BR/>By accepting his registration, they did.<BR/><BR/>It just so happens that they later hypocritically reversed their decision.<BR/><BR/><I>He was never invited to that private screening,</I><BR/><BR/>Of course not. Nobody was invited. People registered, and the organizers decided which registrations to accept.<BR/><BR/><I>heAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-49675525399760415642008-03-29T14:40:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:40:00.000-07:00Richard:1) are you OK with the linking of the theo...Richard:<BR/><BR/><I>1) are you OK with the linking of the theory of evolution with Nazi Germany? </I><BR/><BR/>In general, no. Are all Darwinists Nazi's? No. Were the Nazi's advocating Darwinian eugenics? Yes. Was Darwin responsible for Nazis? Hardly.<BR/><BR/><I>2) do you feel that scientists are being censored regarding the issue of evolution?</I><BR/><BR/>The broad-brush topic of evidence Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-51411306883883288832008-03-29T14:29:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:29:00.000-07:00starwind, 1) are you OK with the linking of the th...starwind, <BR/><BR/>1) are you OK with the linking of the theory of evolution with Nazi Germany? <BR/><BR/>2) do you feel that scientists are being censored regarding the issue of evolution?<BR/><BR/>3) if so, do you feel that they have scientific evidence to support their position?Moderatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10080944720281021611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-19168499902557312842008-03-29T14:23:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:23:00.000-07:00Richard:starwind, any chance you want to comment o...Richard:<BR/><BR/><I>starwind, any chance you want to comment on the content of Scott's (and PZ's) criticism of the movie</I><BR/><BR/>I haven't seen the movie, so I'll withhold comment on whether it makes its case or not, fairly or distortedly, until I have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-73272291752577627522008-03-29T14:22:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:22:00.000-07:00ftkI'm done here, and I'd appreciate you not comme...ftk<BR/>I'm done here, and I'd appreciate you not commenting at my blog any more either. I'm about open inquiry, asking questions, and supporting academic freedom.<BR/><BR/>Man, does it get much surreal than that?Moderatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10080944720281021611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-77252471361447054342008-03-29T14:19:00.001-07:002008-03-29T14:19:00.001-07:00starwind, any chance you want to comment on the co...starwind, any chance you want to comment on the content of Scott's (and PZ's) criticism of the movie or are you only interested in pointing out that PZ took advantage of public information in a way that you find inappropriate.<BR/><BR/>PS: Winona State just won the Div II basketball National Title. Since Winona State is also part of the University of MN (just like Morris), I find it perfectly Moderatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10080944720281021611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-87694076854847782052008-03-29T14:19:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:19:00.000-07:00J. J. Ramsey:Nowhere here is an indication that yo...J. J. Ramsey:<BR/><BR/><I>Nowhere here is an indication that you did not make a sweeping claim. Care to educate us on where such an indication is?</I><BR/><BR/>That would be the part:<I><BR/>Myers is also dishonest and hypocritical, none of which was Jesus, and Myers has zero credibility on anythng, even subject in which he might possess correct knowledge, he <B>can [not] be trusted</B> to conveyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-53299181930307027092008-03-29T14:07:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:07:00.000-07:00David Marjanović:"Private" doesn't mean "invitatio...David Marjanović:<BR/><BR/><I>"Private" doesn't mean "invitation-only", it only means the organizers get to decide who of those who wants to attend is allowed to attend. And they allowed PZ to attend.</I><BR/><BR/>No, they did not allow PZ Myers to attend, did they - LOL. The whole world including you knows that. <BR/><BR/>It is precisely that prevention from attending, the opposite of granting Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-74626703616836367682008-03-29T14:06:00.000-07:002008-03-29T14:06:00.000-07:00Starwind: "And what was my entire unedited quote, ...Starwind: "And what was my entire unedited quote, in context?"<BR/><BR/>Right here:<BR/><BR/>"Because aside from being an atheist, Myers is also dishonest and hypocritical, none of which was Jesus, and Myers has zero credibility on anythng, even subject in which he might possess correct knowledge, he can be trusted to convey that knowledge honestly."<BR/><BR/>Nowhere here is an indication that J. J. Ramseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00763792476799485687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-46741104999790795422008-03-29T13:48:00.000-07:002008-03-29T13:48:00.000-07:00Are you in the habit of appealing and RSVPing to t...<I>Are you in the habit of appealing and RSVPing to theater management at websites before seeing a public movie, or just the Private screenings? Where is your "granted appeal" to attend, and why appeal at all if it is truely open to the public?</I><BR/><BR/>Is there some kind of block in your brain? PZ registered online; that's his appeal. The registration was accepted; that's the granting part. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953644170899103489.post-4164194860203632382008-03-29T13:28:00.000-07:002008-03-29T13:28:00.000-07:00J. J. Ramsey:Nothing that you wrote justifies the ...J. J. Ramsey:<BR/><BR/><I>Nothing that you wrote justifies the sweeping claim that Myers has zero credibility on anything.</I><BR/><BR/>And what was my entire <B>unedited</B> quote, in context? <BR/><BR/><I>Now if you have evidence for that, bring it</I><BR/><BR/>Well that is the argument you hope to have, but that isn't what I said, was it. No. You had to selectively cut & paste what I said to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com